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by Ken Bagnall, 16 January 2001
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The flag is evidently manufactured, with a slightly different design than shown on the gif from Ken Bagnall. One web site shows a photo of the flags, in two different shades of blue.
You can see a photo on http://www.white-rose-international.com/flag.htm.
Helge Jacobsen, 22 January 2001
My understanding was always that the Yorkshire rose 'sat' on two point not one -
therefore Ken Bagnall's flag is upside down.
Richard Carter, 20 April 2003
Well, there is certainly some kind of 'urban legend' that a Yorkshire rose rests
on one point, so that (some of) the lines between the petals form a letter Y for
Yorkshire. I've never been able to trace the origins of this. Certainly, all the
roses in the arms of the three Ridings are 'conventional' with the roses resting
on two points. However, the roses on the Yorkshire Ridings Society
(self-appointed guardians of Yorkshire heritage) do have the roses resting on
one point on their home page at
http://www.yorkshire-ridings.org.uk.
Ian Sumner, 21 April 2003
On August 1st, 1759, soldiers from Yorkshire regiments who had fought in the battle of Minden, in Germany, picked white roses from bushes near to the battlefields as a tribute to their fallen comrades. Since that time the white rose has become the symbol of Yorkshire and is proudly worn by Yorkshiremen and women on Yorkshire Day (August 1).
David Stretton, 9 July 2001
I have been trying to verify the why, when, and how the White Rose was adopted as a county badge for the county of Yorkshire. I note with interest your proposition that it dates from the battle of Minden 1759, can this be verified in any way please. I had started to wonder if it was actually simply a fable as the heraldic links with the Wars of the Roses never was a real contender for all the reasons I am sure you are well aware of.
Richard Hayton, 20 February 2002
In UK heraldry, if I am not mistaken, a "house" (i.e., a family and its retainers and servants and distant relatives and whatnot) has not
only various coats of arms but a "badge". For a royal house (or would-be-royal house) the badge can extend to the entire country, such as the
Scottish thistle or Irish shamrock, Welsh leek. Somehow the House of York (a subdivision of the British - then English-only - royal house)
acquired a white rose as its badge (it does not, I don't think, appear on any
coat of arms) and the House of Lancaster had a red rose. Hence their internecine wars were called the "Wars of the Roses". When the
dust settled at the end of the wars the badges were merged into the "Tudor rose" which serves as the badge of England
today.
The two houses, Lancaster and York, no longer exist (do they?). Now the question here, as I understand it, is how the family badge of the
house of York became the county badge of Yorkshire. To me the reason is obvious; Yorkshire simply adopted it from the family badge. As to
the date and manner of the adoption, indeed whether it was an official act with an actual date or a gradual act over time, is an
interesting question.
Al Kirsch, 20 February 2002
The Houses of York and Lancaster still exist in that they are subsumed into the House of Windsor. HM The Queen is Duke of Lancaster and HRH Prince
Andrew is Duke of York. The badge of York Herald is a white rose "en soleil"
(ie with a sunburst behind it).
Graham Bartram, 20 February 2002
There is also a Lancaster Herald whose
badge is a red rose royally crowned - see www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/about/6.htm
Joe McMillan, 20 February 2002
by Blas Delgado Ortiz, 7 February 2002
A picture from York shows a shield
in a coat of arms high over a gate. So, I theorized that the flag should be a
banner of arms and constructed this one out of the England flag. Has anyone see
this flag? Is its ratio 2:1? Should the lions be nearer to
each other?
Blas Delgado Ortiz, 7 February 2002
This shield is abundantly seen around
the City of York - it was visible on the city wall, and on the bridge over the
River Ouse. During the International Vexillogical Congress in York [in
2001] the flag as Blas has drawn it was flying high from the Guild Hall,
although I am not sure if it was 2:1 or not.
Rob Raeside, 8 February 2002
Dewsbury is a town in West Yorkshire, northern England, with around 60,000
inhabitants. Legend has it that St Paulinus, the "Apostle of the North" preached
at
Dewsbury in 627 after being sent by the Pope to Christianize the kingdom of
Northumbria. A monastery was established and Dewsbury became a the centre of a
huge parish stretching over 400 km2. It became a royal manor and
stayed that way until the Norman conquest. Legendary outlaw Robin Hood is said
to be buried in the grounds of Kirklees Priory, which lay in the parish of
Dewsbury.
Dewsbury was a small village until the beginning of the nineteenth century. It
built its fortune on the textile industry and following the industrial
revolution became the thriving centre of the heavy woollen industry, exporting
cloth and blankets throughout the world. One of its most famous wares was
"shoddy" cloth, which was made from a mixture of wool and torn-up rags. Much of
the clothes it produced were cheap and, some said, of inferior quality: hence
the later pejorative meaning of the word "shoddy". The textile industry declined
after the first world war. Among famous Dewsburians are Betty Boothroyd, the
first female speaker of the UK House of Commons; Patrick Stewart, actor who
appeared in Star Trek and the X-Men; Charlotte Bronte, author who based Jayne
Eyre on her experiences of teaching in the town; and Tom Kilburn, inventor of
the modern computer.
The flag of Dewsbury is based on the town's coat of arms, which were granted
following Dewsbury's incorporation as a municipal borough in 1862. The blue and
yellow checks are from the coat of arms of the de Warenne family. The Warennes
came over with William the Conqueror after the Normans defeated the English at
the Battle of Hastings in 1066. They were created earls of Sussex and were
granted patches of land throughout the country, including the manor of Dewsbury.
The two owls are taken from the